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EbDish is a twitter specific language to enable interesting sentences about Complex Adaptive Systems in 140 characters or less. It is a work in progress.


Organizational String Theory

EbDish Visual 1

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EBdish Visual 3

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Rtubing Sketch 1

8D Video


Yellow Highlights indicate words by Mark F, as of Jan 3 2010 MJ still Mulling.

Green Highlights words by MJ waiting for EbDish collaborator's Mull.


Rtube  "Reality Tube". Replaces Activity Space Time in version 0.1 .
Roughly equivalent to Point of View, Conceptual Framework, Mindset, Worldview, Gestalt. Derived from Robert Anton Wilson's notion of Reality Tunnel.  Different in that a Tunnel does not capture the ever changing shape of a tube interacting with other Tubes. In EbDish the Rtube  is a network node is created by a network node (see entry on "Social Tetrahedron/Rsphere") that gets, processes, and outputs information tokens.


Nfractal  Narrative Fractal ( thanks to  Mark Frazier @openworld ) 

An ideal pattern of elements comprising "alive and whole" stories, narratives, or sequences of sounds or images.


Each full-fledged Narrative Fractal includes the following sections:

1. attractor (an attention-creating opener, stirring interest)

2. challenge (a provocation or disturbance, creating tension)

3. opportunity (vision of a new condition that may resolve the challenge, evoking inspiration)

4. strategy (path to realize the opportunity, promoting hope)

5. test (acceptance test, stimulating confidence or doubt)

6. decision (the choice to implement, refine, or shelve the strategy, prompting a sense of resolve)  


In terms of actions, the Narrative fractal can be expressed as follows (incorporating the above facets)


a.  Feel (the desire of the attractor, and tension of the challenge)

b.  Plan (the opportunity or envisaged state change, and the strategy to get there)

c.  Do (the acceptance test, and the decision to implement, refine, or defer)


Each element of a Nfractal can be seen as the product of a NME (Notice-Mull-Engage) process as described OR as a product of the Feel-Plan-Do process outlined above.


[Michael:  Feel, Plan and Do are equivalent to Notice. Mull. Engage. I prefer NME as it points more easily to Scale and Time independence. Mark: I like Feel (Emotionally) Plan (Cognitively) Do (Physically) because this progression maps to the complementary roles of Ewaves, Cwaves, and Pwaves noted below. Entwining Ewaves and Cwaves can activate Pwaves in sentient life (leading to individual and coordinated group action in BPlaces).] 


A well-formed NFractal is one deemed to be complete in the above facets, based upon feedback by members of a trustnet.  NFractals define the edges of each person's or organization's Social Tetrahedron (see "Soctets" below), which include Personal, Business, and Civic storylines - and their "asks and offers" for token exchange. (See Quora.com for further descriptions of Nfractals: http://j.mp/bpaD2Z )



An Rsphere is the field or pattern of Ewaves, Cwaves, and Pwaves surrounding a Social Tetrahedron (see "Soctet" below), whose overall colors, intensities and textures can signal opportunities for token exchange or partnering with other Rspheres that are interested also in filling out their storylines. A benefit of having Nfractals at the heart of each Rsphere is that they too can have visual fields representing Ewaves, Cwaves, and Pwaves - signalling token exchange "asks" and "offers." The converging field patterns from the Nfractals can produce visual "hotspots" of opportunities for external token exchange visible on the surface of an Rsphere.



An Rtube (originally "Reality Tunnel") is the path taken by the RSphere in pursuit of partners to fill or actualize the "asks" and "offers" of its constituent Nfractals. It can be defined by the trail of asks/offers an Rsphere has shared publicly (i.e. made visible on its surface) as it moves through time. Rtubes themselves may be works in progress to form a larger Nfractal for a higher-level holon. To the extent that an info token emerges from or passes through a well-formed Nfractal, it may pass to other Rtubes and help them complete their respective (Nfractal) works-in-progress. Similar to a protein in a cell, such an info token - once inside an Rsphere boundary - is free to "fit" into and help complete individual Nfractals or meshes of Nfractals in the target Soctet/Rsphere.


Ewaves  "Waves of Emotion"

A force manifesting affect or charge in three dimensions of value (positive, negative, and neutral). It can be expressed in short wave (e.g. sensations), medium wave (feeling->mood) and long wave forms (disposition->character).  Enduring, replicable patterns of Ewaves at any wavelength are defined as emotion viruses or "lumenes," complementing idea viruses ("memes") and form viruses ("genes").  Lumenes are produced by actual or anticipated NME token exchanges that fill in, alter, or disturb incumbent Nfractals. Art, fashion, entertainment, design artifacts, and  religious/spiritual beliefs are leading propagators of Ewave-heavy NME tokens and their associated lumenes. 

Cwaves  "Waves of Cognition"
A force tracing causal relationships across the three dimensions of time (past, present, and future). The continuum of Cwaves includes recognition (short wave), identification (medium wave), and understanding (long wave) of beliefs with an anticipated case:rule:result coherence.  Enduring, replicable patterns of Cwaves as expressed in language are memes or idea/logic viruses.  Cwave-heavy tokens are typically propagated through academic research and intellectual inquiry, and put in observable form for NME exchange through print and online media.


Pwaves "Physical Waves"

A force that can generate movement, form and texture in the three dimensions of physical space. Pwaves cover the full spectrum of electromagnetic wavelengths as well particles ("standing" Pwaves?) with mass. Pwaves in a material form may manifest properties of attraction, nonreaction, or repulsion. Enduring, replicable patterns of Pwaves are interchangeably referred to in #Ebdish as genes or form viruses.  Pwave-heavy NME tokens capable of producing life are typically generated through mitosis, sex, or artificial reproductive processes.  When Pwave-heavy NME tokens converge with consilient memes and lumenes, they have maximum opportunities to be fruitful and multiply.


NME "Notice-Mull-Engage" info tokens.  ( "NFME" in Ebdish  version 1.5)  

NFME derives from "Notice. Focus. Mull. Engage." - essentially equivalent to "sensing", "thinking/planning" and "doing." Learning in a Complex Adaptive System occurs by putting ideas and beliefs that are generated by Mulling to tests in the physical realm of action, Engaging in Bplace. Then Noticing Events in Time. Replication is accelerated by then sharing results via NME info tokens.


It seems Focus can be captured by seeing "Focus" as Notice Events occurring over Time. NME also makes it easier to describe the phenomenon "Mull" as iterations of Notice.Mull. Engage. at a lower system level.  Could be useful to get to the fractal nature of Complex Adaptive Systems.


NMEX "NME Xchange" coined by @emergentinsight refers to the exchange of information tokens between network nodes. Rtubes in EbDish.


Genes, memes and lumenes are particular types of  NME

At the biological scale, Genes carry the information which moves through intricate process of expression from which physical forms emerge. In this sense, genes can be seen as "form viruses." Memes, as noted earlier, can be understood as replicating logical constructs, or "idea viruses."  Lumenes - completing reproductive elements of a Body-Mind-Spirit triad -  are replicable patterns of affective response - "emotion viruses."  Evolution can be seen as the testing of myriad gene-meme-lumene "scripts," through the NME mating choices of increasingly sentient entities = soctets moving within their Intentional Rtubes  In the service of surviving, adapting and thriving in the "Behavior Places" of the physical world.


A NME token may be said to be "Ewave heavy" or "Cwave heavy" depending on context - that is, whether it coheres more with Nfractals in the form of songs or expressionist art, or Nfractals such as an academic paper or a legal contract. A NME token is different from a "Meme" or "Lumene" in that it can assemble or entwine multiple Emotion and Cognitive patterns into a new packet for exchange.


Code for Behavior Place. replaces "Activity Space Time - A s/t"  in version 0.1
Roughly equivalent to Real World, Observables, Measurable Data Streams. The most common observable in biology is denoted by Gene. New insights of evolutionary biology are now making Genetic Expression observable. In commerce the observable is the money for goods and services exchange.


Soctets (Social Tetrahedrons as a way to view extended/empathic selves in a social network)

Soctets - in visual form, a 3D tetrahedron - may offer a useful way to map user profiles in social networks. The base of each person's tetrahedron can be defined by three frames of reference (Personal, Business, and Civic). From a top-down perspective - or from a bottom-up perspective, if the tetrahdron is transparent - all three frames can be viewed at a glance. (The profile creator might have a right to set trust thresholds that allow another person to partially or fully rotate the object to see given frames).

A color reflecting the current Maslow state (e.g. showing survival, comfort, and generative levels) applicable to each frame of reference in the Soctet can also be a way for the profile creator to convey useful information to others in his/her trustnet at a glance .

The Soctet user profile can also show people and initiatives that one includes as part of an extended, empathic self. This can be done by dragging and dropping other profiles into one's tetrahedron, much as Twitter allows one to follow admired people. To add a person or cause to one's empathic self, the profile creator could rotate the tetrahedron to populate a personal frame of reference (filling it with family and friends), a civic frame of reference (e.g. with admired individuals and organizations working for the commons), and a professional or business frame (with valued coworkers). Individuals and initiatives included in one's "extended self" also could be made visible to others, when access rights are set, by double-clicking on a given face of one's user profile.


The outer faces of one's Soctet can show publicly-visible opportunities for NME exchange - "asks" and "offers" by which anyone can help fill out the Narrative Fractals valued by the Soctet creator. Other ask/offer exchange opportunities may be extended only to people and projects within one's trustnet. These could be viewed by those who receive access rights to double-click on the Soctet surface and open the Personal, Business, and/or Civic (PBC) facets of the social tetrahedron.


The Soctet framework provides a means of viewing valued holons. Individuals may choose to nest their soctets within the soctets of larger communities, enabling participants to see their identification with a larger connective/collective.  Similarly, as noted above, the creator of a soctet may opt to show the soctets of others (individuals and communities) that he or she feels reside within the boundary of their extended/empathic self.  Over time, mutual "trust tokens" might signify which of these others held delegated rights to act on the profile creator's behalf.  Two-way or multi-way delegation of trust in such cases would begin highlighting contours of an incipient larger holon, with its own Personal-Businss-Civic frames of reference.


Constructal flows (movement of Soctets/RSpheres to form larger holons) 

Constructal Theory (http://j.mp/dbFWUa) posits that natural systems of all kinds move in patterned ways that enable easier access to resources. In the case of social tetrahedrons - including their RSphere of E-C-P waves generated by embedded narrative fractals - the flow of motion is along paths (Rtubes) offering valued partners for token exchange to fill out their respective storylines. As noted above, such exchanges over time may create habits of trust that lead the Soctets/Rspheres to move together in tandem (visually expressed as a helix?), or to enlarge the boundaries of their "extended selves" so as to mutually absorb their resource-providing partners. In time, these exchange relationships may lead to a shared, transcending new core sense of self.  Once established, the trusted habits of internal resource exchange lead a new holon (an emergent social tetrahedron) to evolve its own higher set of Nfractals, and seek out new external partners for valued resource exchanges that hold promise of filling in these storylines.


Exaptive evolution

 "Exaptive" exchange relationships (http://j.mp/atHaX3 ) arise when a NME token that helps fill a segment of a Nfractal in one trustnet proves unexpectedly helpful in the fulfillment of surprisingly different Nfractal segment in another trustnet. For example, a NME token useful in the "Attractor" facet of one trustnet's Civic Nfractal may also prove useful (in a non-zero sum manner) to the "Strategy" facet of a Business Nfractal in a previously unrelated social tetrahedron. Exaptive exchanges of this kind can build trust over time conducive to the ultimate inclusion of both parties in the "extended selves" of one another. The overlap in the extended selves of the new partners in turn creates an commons with its own Nfractal - and potential to engage in exaptive relationships with others beyond the original trustnets.  By this means, new value-creating, risk-minimizing holons can emerge. Visually, an exaptive NME exchange offer by one Rsphere to an unrelated trustnet might be shown via "flux ropes" (http://j.mp/ed9Fs8 ).  


Golden thread (a set of token exchanges benefiting multiple Nfractals)

A "golden thread" of synergy marks a path of highest possible benefits for multiple, as-yet-unfilled Nfractals in a social tetrahedron/Rsphere.  It is the path of token exchanges - or trust relationships - that delivers value in a concurrent way for the individual or group's most valued Personal, Civic, and Business storylines.




Comments (37)

Michael J said

at 10:35 pm on Nov 21, 2010

My problem with NFractal as defined above is not primarily the content. Rather I think that ebdish is more of mutually understandable translation scheme that we can use on twitter to be able to say things in real time about complex adaptive systems. In the service of that goal I would like to propose that Notice. Mull. and Engage might map to the elements you describe. Give me a bit too mull, but I wanted to get this notion into our convo.

Michael J said

at 10:41 pm on Nov 21, 2010

1. attractor (an attention-creating opener, stirring interest) 2. challenge (a provocation or disturbance, creating tension) might map to Notice new information.

3. opportunity (vision of a new condition that may resolve the challenge, evoking inspiration) might map to integrate new info with in place Nfractal which "describes the world" the Point of View.

4. strategy (path to realize the opportunity, promoting hope) & .5. test (acceptance test, stimulating confidence or doubt) maps to Engage.

6. decision maps to an iterative cycle of Notice. Mull. Engage.

Still mulling. Looking forward to your reacions.

mfrazier@openworld.com said

at 10:48 pm on Nov 21, 2010

Michael, 2 me, it all comes down to verbs and nouns. Notice-Mull-Engage are the verbs. The six elements of a Nfractal are nouns. They're exactly and simply products of NME verbs. When the Nfractals approach and intersect (via NME interactions), they pass tokens and intertwine to form Rtubes (as bigger Nfractals). Then NME processes drive the Rtubes to form yet greater Rtubes helping emergent holons to spread new genetic (Physical), memetic (Cog) and lumenetic (Emo) patterns. Whatcha think?

Michael J said

at 11:04 pm on Nov 21, 2010

That helps alot. Nicely said. I like "Nfractals approach and intersect (via NME interactions)," but am trying to get to still another dimension with Rtubes. I want to be able to say that "Nations" "communities" "schools" and "organizations" are Rtubes. I can see how an Nfractal can create the "reality" of any of these "places" from various PoVs. The appropriate clarifications might be in the intersection between Nfractals and Behavior Place. Bplace.

It's something like there are n number of Nfractals that can be triggered by the TIme/Space specific properties of a Bplace. All of them are equally present. But for example, in a BPlace saturated by Fear or Mistrust a Fight or Flight Nfractal is triggered. In a Safe Bplace, an alternative Nfractal can be just as easily triggered. So whadda ya think?

Michael J said

at 11:09 pm on Nov 21, 2010

I want to put into the thread a DM convo . I think it will help us get to clarity and more precision:

Do you think valency is a relevant factor in #ebDish? Amplify/dampen ECwaves?

My hunch is "valency" is better for "particles" NME than Waves. It's a nice way to think of nFractals attracting info tokens.

amplify/dampen ECwaves is a great direction. But valence or something more like well bounded Rtues with Waves reflected off constraints?

So the Ocean has no constraints. A bay has some. A lake has more. So what does that do to the waves. hmmm I'm mulling.

Hmm..like the ocean/constraints thinking. Interesting. Must mull.

Soo interesting: How are waves amplified or subdued. it speaks to ADHD and other Borderline Personality Disorders, I c as turbulent ECwaves.

I read a story about a woman diagnosed with Autism who invented constraints to calm cows in slaughterhouses. Might be something there.

I think there is. Was thinking that constraints are neutral and CAN be useful to *channel* or focus. Think lightwaves and mirrors.

Michael J said

at 11:32 pm on Nov 21, 2010

I'm curious if you would buy "A well-formed NFractal is one deemed to have a beginning, a middle and an end and an implied picture of "How it works." It being whatever is the phenom of interest.

mfrazier@openworld.com said

at 9:27 am on Nov 22, 2010

"Beginning, middle and end" seems empty to me - like saying a narrative fractal consists of a first part, a second part, and a third part.

mfrazier@openworld.com said

at 9:51 am on Nov 22, 2010

As for RTubes, I agree on their being class-level, emergent "ideal types" (schools, charities, etc) with actual instances of RTubes (West Side Prep, Bronx School of Science, etc) within the genre. Yet I think we also want a system that can handle hybrid Rtubes formed by unexpected, exaptive joins or constructal mating flows - say Marvel Comics opening a charter school where kids create and learn via video games. Whatcha say?

Michael J said

at 11:00 am on Nov 22, 2010

the way I see "beginning, middle and end" is the implied Time Horizons. Very different methinks from first,second,third which stand outside of Time. Amazing to me how little sense of History of a place, situation or problem usually enters the Orientation.

Marvel is an interesting case. I might say that Marvel grew as a well bounded Rtube. Frequent NME Xchange lead to an Explicit NFractal which in turn allowed Intentionality to emerge. Just an Ebdish way of saying they understand what business they were in, and organized behavior and culture appropriately enuff to thrive. The movement into education is not all that surprising in the context that a central organizing Nfractal was a focus on their customer. As the risks of earning going forward revenue increased, only natural that good management would look for less crowded spaces to Notice. Them Mull about. And then Engage.

For al kinds of reasons it's pretty clear that the education space is in disarray, as in being in a stage where good innovations can now replicate much more easily than in years past.

So in EbDish I might say "NME section of Marvel Rtube ( the NME focusing on the customer ) became well bounded under decreasing opportunities and flowed into Edu Rtube." sort of like a virus entering a new host.

What say you?

Michael J said

at 11:23 am on Nov 22, 2010


Recent interchange on twitter is a nice illustration of how ebidsh can could work.

Consider that Vanessa created a Safe and Fecund Bplace of Authentic NME Exchange. Her Nfractal emerged. It was made Explicit by the members. Then you and Spiros and I carried on the NME Xchange in many different Bplaces. I think it's fair to say that we created a meshing of our individual Rtubes by NME Xchange. The Intention became more clear as the Xchange continued over a long period of Time.

Yesterday it emerged back at this wiki. An Bplace where more Intentionl Rtubes can Xchange more hugly developed, and more precise NME.

mfrazier@openworld.com said

at 11:25 am on Nov 22, 2010

Can you expand on "the way I see "beginning, middle and end" is the implied Time Horizons. ... Amazing to me how little sense of History of a place, situation or problem usually enters the Orientation. "

If a beginning doesn't first _attract_ Notice, per the #Nfractal pattern outlined above, it seems unlikely to effectively propagate awareness of a Challenge/tension ("history of a place, situation or problem").

Michael J said

at 1:29 pm on Nov 22, 2010

Consider any social problem. I think it's sensible to say that it occurs in a place based Rtube. I think it's also sensible to say that the specific way any change will play out is critically dependent on the unique history of that Rtube. I'm pretty sure that Spiral Dynamics focuses on this phenom. One of the serious limitations of "policy makers" is the inability to formulate policies that are Broad Enuff to apply to EveryPlace and specific enuff to be able to take the unique history and the resultant in place Nfractals into account.

The issue I think is to make the Time Horizon both Explicit to the Actors in a Rtube and Implicit in the words used to describe it. Yes I agree that a beginning has to attract. But a story for potential Futures has to be have a Tacit Nfractal that captures the Past. Methinks Sense Making only happens in Time. It's not an accident that every religious and now even "scientific" Nfractal starts with "In the Beginning." And As far as I know, most of them also have an End. eg. the heat death of the Universe in Science and Heaven and/or Hell or something similar for the End.

The Middle is usually what Focuses on Now.

So .. is this responsive and does it make sense in Your Rtube?

mfrazier@openworld.com said

at 2:24 pm on Nov 22, 2010

I like the cosmic stretch! if Nfractals hold, they should handle endeavors across the universe's time scale as well. But what of the eternal - the forms beyond time (the realm of philosophy, rather than history or science, per Oakeshott's Experience and Its Modes). ? Maybe time is the illusion that is created by consciousness to Notice, Mull, and Engage (organize experience) and generate the consilient scripts for Meme & Lumenes (and all kinds of "form viruses") to be fruitful and multiply?

Michael J said

at 3:30 pm on Nov 22, 2010

Now this is getting way above my pay scale, but I don't see why not. Consider that Science is a precise metaphor that can predict well defined future events. It's pretty simple, if the metaphor predicts correctly to the appropriate level of precision why say it's True. Ha. What we really mean is that it's True Enuff, until it's not. The eternal? beats me. Fascinating. But to me only fascinating the way magic is fascinating. Just to be clear it's extraordinarily fascinating.

I think what we're seeing is what we've seen before. Consider when Darwin's meme of evolution started to spread. It changed the entire meme-o-sphere. It took about 30 -40 years give or take in different contexts. The fact was the NME of "natural selection" was attracted to the Nfractal of a robust growing industrial capitalism. By fitting in so nicely, it was taken to "explain" the "deep fundamental Truth" that emerged as the Social Darwinism Nfractal. Only now we can look back at it and see that while it organized a reality that was nice for the Power Actor Rtube, it was not in any sensible way True.

In the 1920's Relativity and Quantum Physics developed math language that could predict going forward events to great precision. But even now the words used to wrap around the math is as mystical as any that come from the various religious Nfractals. True? So far. Definitely Good enuff at least for now. But seriously, anti matter? dark space? But it goes back to "electric magnetic radiation" What precisely is that supposed to point to in the real world, except as a useful metaphor to predict going forward behavior.

So my take is there are no forms beyond time in the realm of philosophy that I think makes the best story. It's an old dichotomy. For a while it was described as Idealist v Empiricist.' But methinks it the deep Nfractal humans been trying to figure out forever.


Michael J said

at 11:15 am on Nov 24, 2010

two sections cause of 2000 chr limit;
I just wanted to unpack a bit from our twitter Xchange. So if we consider that Events are the data to be analyzed. While we can build useful metaphors to make sense of an Event at the end of day we're mindful of the reality that they are only metaphors. I think it's fair to say it's becoming pretty clear that has always been the most fruitful way to try to describe how "thought" fits into History.

In that context, it's also pretty clear that the mechanism of human evolution is a constant interplay between reducing risk in the service of continued survival and the need to procreate in the interest of growth. I think it's also fair to say that it's the balance between these two fundamental drives that produce a pretty story for the emergence of art , broadly defined as artifacts humans make that seem to have no "functional" purpose. More to be said about that at another time.

Michael J said

at 11:15 am on Nov 24, 2010

Within this framework, it's nice to see the Nfractal as a double helix. (thanks for the quick confirm on twitter.) The notion is that there are always two poles of the Nfractal operating in an Rtube. One is attuned to the environment to pick up NME signals of a change that indicates RISK. The other is optimized for NME signals that indicate Benefit. The well understood phenom is that a change can be reasonably seen with either PoV. One person's risk is precisely to another's benefit. The nature of the market - going back to the Agora in Greece could be reasonably framed that way.

Another notion put on the table comes from @emergentinsight ( I think I have the name correct ) who sees strings connecting and surrounding Rtubes. I concur. It suggests something like Nfractals supplying both the interior shape of Risk/Benefit dominant decision making AND the notion that a NFractal is larger than one particular Rtube. My hunch is going down this path, will get us to more clarity about a metaphor that can get to the mechanisms of "nested N(Rtubes}

Something like when a Nfractal vibrates it can trigger resonance in an entangled Rtube which can in turn trigger the resident Nfractal in the Subsidiary Rtube to effect decisions. The thinking is that it gets to how memes, lumenes and genes interact to create Events which are the only visible and no PoV defined "reality."

Spiro Spiliadis said

at 12:30 pm on Nov 25, 2010

Hi Michael and Mark,
curious what this means to you in ebdish...

What started merely as an experiment has brought me to the threshold of monumental discovery

Now if I play, chromatic scale there's no measurable response.

But... now, and this is remarkable

If I change to atonal clusters.


They fly in counter-clockwise, synchronized concentric circles.

As though a regimented flock.

I, using musical theory, have created order out from chaos.

Michael J said

at 12:50 pm on Nov 25, 2010

How totally cool!

I would say that traditional Western tonal organization emerged from the History of Western Music. I might say in Ebdish that the Music Nfractal that grew in Western European Rtube attracted consilient NME. When it emerged, the Tonal Nfractal organized the emerging ECwaves. After a couple of hundred years, the ECwaves changed and the NFractal no longer fixed them.

In the 20's atonality emerged in the West ( I think ). After the Great War shattered for all time the ECwaves of Order. The turbulence was reflected in Science , Art, the Financial System and Poltiics. In the last hundred years the new synchronization of ECwaves are going mainstream. Nfractals are collapsing all over the place. In Finance , it's the New Normal. In Business, it's the Consumer is in the Control. The Waves are just now reaching a crest in edu, health and government.

So my blablab in EbDish about the phenom you describe is U are an Rtube with a finely tuned ECwave detector. Your Musical explorations are you Mulling with your hands and ears. You've come upon an Nfractal that captures what you've Noticed for a long time.

And so Voila . The fly in counter-clockwise, synchronized concentric circles, the same shape as the ECwaves that flow Inside and Outside of U as Rtube.


Spiro Spiliadis said

at 1:43 pm on Nov 25, 2010

Sherlock Holmes said that... i think in some fashion he wants to join the conversation :) and this quote is his entrace...

Daniel Durrant said

at 5:59 pm on Dec 8, 2010

sorry to ram my way into the convo, but I'm an Aries...

Michael, I'm not sure Spiro was looking for an ebDish analysis of what he's doing.

Spiro, if you've reached this threshold of discovering how to turn chaos into order, then you deserve a feather (in my world that's worth a lot of money).

So, these atonal clusters start flocking in counter-clockwise, synchronized concentric circles? Can these atonal clusters be linked to metadata?

mfrazier@openworld.com said

at 10:51 am on Dec 12, 2010

I've been intrigued by the possibility that archetypical Narrative Fractals can be used to outline edges of our triadic Mind-Body-Spirit (exchanging NME tokens to respectively spread memes, genes, and lumenes) and Personal-Business-Civic (exchanging tokens for intrinsic happiness, market success, and protection of the commons) frames of reference.

At the center of each MBS and PBC triangle is a point of balance or consilience for NME processing, balancing the calls of the constituent narratives upon our attention and action.

This centerpoint becomes the vertical axis for the 2D triangular forms to be represented as a 3D tetrahedrons. This allows for new Narrative Fractals to form in a 3D space, representing more complex archetypical storylines to be formed based upon connections between midpoints of the frames. (The 3D shape also makes it easier to show Maslow-style levels of survival, comfort, and generative levels of resources associated with the respective faces of the tetrahedrons).

Now imagine if we join the MBS & PBC tetrahedrons in a way that creates a "star tetrehedron" or merkaba form - and have them rotate in opposite directions.

My hunch is that the standing offers for NME token exchange adhering to the Narrative Fractals of each of the moving tetrahedrons can weave a lattice of opportunities for NME exchange with other MBS & PBC entities. Based on the attraction/challenge patterns as these entities approach, they may themselves enter into relationship patterns that form larger narrative fractals for the next-level holons, with these holons themselves emerging in star tetrahedral form.

Turtles all the way up, and all the way down... What do you think?



mfrazier@openworld.com said

at 11:02 am on Dec 12, 2010

Here's a better - I hope - opening for the above:

>>I've been intrigued by the possibility that archetypical Narrative Fractals can be used to outline edges of our triadic Mind-Body-Spirit (MBS) and Personal-Business-Civic (PBC) frames of reference.

>>In the MBS frame, the Narrative Fractals exist to spread memes, genes, and lumenes. The PBC frame contains Narrative Fractals that exchange tokens for intrinsic happiness, market success, and protection of the commons.

I know that a lot of other sections in the previous reply are too abstract to likely make much sense. I'm working to apply them to some draft visuals along with a storyboard of how they might play out in an Ebdish "use case" to improve the quality of public discourse, per Michael's suggestion.



Michael J said

at 11:35 am on Dec 12, 2010

I look forward to seeing your visuals. My sense is that will help alot for me to see what you see. Lots to mull in what you've written.

My problem is the lack of a framework to talk about The Dark Side of the Force. Evil. My concern for a long time has been why do smart, good people do stupid evil things. My hunch is that it's easier to answer that question with a biological model. No doubt the Forces for Good - what I take as "intrinsic happiness, market success, and protection of the commons" to which I might add sustainability - are robust. But the history of the human monkey demonstrate that the Dark Side of violence and evil are often as strong or stronger.

I think it goes all the way down to people and organizations in the form of "People Acting Like Assholes" as described in The No Asshole Rule: Making a Civilized Workplace http://ilnk.me/5b03 . In School Systems it is now emerging in the convo about bullying.

My sense is that taking a biomimicry approach will give us the words and pictures to capture the fact that the good/evil or risk/benefit or fear/love or life/death duality is present in every event. The trick is to have a nfractal that can see both at precisely the same time.

mfrazier@openworld.com said

at 12:19 pm on Dec 12, 2010


Agree on the importance of firewalls to block evil (and to guard against transgressions of all kinds, even those inspired by visions of "good.")

Michael Oakeshott introduces a useful way to understand relationships of power, in ways that can keep Evil from destroying environments. Here's a summary from Wikipedia:

>>Oakeshott suggested that there had been two major schools of political thought. In the first, which he called ‘enterprise’ association, the state was understood as imposing some universal purpose (profit, salvation, progress, racial domination) on its subjects in which they were forced to participate. ‘Civil’ association however was primarily a legal relationship, in which laws imposed obligatory conditions of action but did not require choosing one action rather than another.

>>…Oakeshott describes the ‘enterprise’ and the ‘civil’ association in different terms. An ‘enterprise’ association is seen as based in a fundamental faith in the ability of the human to ascertain and grasp some universal “good” (i.e. the Politics of Faith), and the ‘civil’ association is seen as based in a fundamental skepticism about the human ability to either ascertain or achieve this universal “good” (i.e. the Politics of Skepticism).

>>Oakeshott saw power (especially technological power) as a necessary prerequisite for the Politics of Faith, because a) it allowed people to believe that they could achieve something great (e.g. something universally good), and b) it allowed them to implement the policies necessary to achieve this goal. The Politics of Skepticism, on the other hand, rests on the idea that government should concern itself with preventing bad things from happening rather than enabling ambiguously good events.

(continued in next reply)

mfrazier@openworld.com said

at 12:20 pm on Dec 12, 2010

(cont from previous reply)

>>Oakeshott used the analogy of the adverb to describe the kind of restraint law involves. For example, the law against murder is not a law against killing as such, but only a law against killing ‘murderously’. Or, a more trivial example, the law does not dictate that I have a car, but if I do, I have to drive it on the same side of the road as everybody else. This contrasted with the rules of enterprise association in which those actions required by the directing purpose were made compulsory for all. (source: Wikipedia article on Michael Oakeshott)

In Ebdish, I believe the archetypical Civic narrative fractal is one that is attracted to opportunities to ensure civil association among formal equals (horizontal vs hierarchical relationships) - how to safeguard against acts of transgresssion.

This narrative fractal applies to microsocieties such as a classroom -- for example, as described in this wonderful ABC news feature http://j.mp/7yBehE on student-created polities bringing bullies to justice - as much as to our larger communities.

What do you think?


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mfrazier@openworld.com said

at 12:43 pm on Dec 12, 2010

Here's a draft of an archetypical Civic narrative fractal, expressing the above ideas:

1. attractor (an attention-creating opener, stirring interest): A new politics for the P2P era?

2. challenge (a provocation or disturbance, creating tension) Challenge bullies and transgressors at any scale

3. opportunity (vision of a new condition that may resolve the challenge, evoking inspiration) Adopt a live-and-let-live "panarchy" that respects the sovereignty of the individual and protects self-organizing communities

4. strategy (path to realize the opportunity, promoting hope) Review past groundrules and dispute resolution systems used by free communities, create a wiki with a spectrum of resources for P2P polities, assemble donations to encourage pilot projects

5. test (acceptance test, stimulating confidence or doubt) Review experiences of virtual and actual communities adopting the wiki's resources

6. decision (the choice to accept, refine, or shelve the strategy, prompting a sense of resolve) Opt to continue, modify, or dismiss the initiative

My hunch is that each of us can create similar (or improved) top-level Narrative Fractals for our Civic - and later, Business and Personal - frames of reference. The Venn diagram overlap of our Civic (and other?) NFractals becomes the commons of the Ebdish holon.



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Michael J said

at 1:42 pm on Dec 12, 2010

More to mull.... First thoughts ;

"firewalls to block evil (and to guard against transgressions of all kinds, even those inspired by visions of "good.")" I wonder if firewalls are the way to think about it? My sense is that the phenom is better described by the growth of tacit norms, explicit rules and power distributed in such a way to support the norms and enforce the rules.

In EbDish jargon , one might say that Sustainable Nfractals tend to channel NME Xchange to Fairness to entangled Rtubes. The trick is that what is Sustainable varies depending on the Long Cycles of environmental change. An interesting read is Managing to the Business Cycle. - http://ezinearticles.com/?Managing-the-Business-Cycle---You-Cant-Stop-Pedaling!&id=1330321

The point is that what has evolutionary advantage at one Time becomes it's opposite at another. The trick is then to define a Nfractal narrative that is agile enuff to change as the world changes. Methinks the central issue is an Nfractal that is sensitive to Notice the changes that are happening, separate from the Intent from the PoV of an individual.

Still mulling. Will add more when there is something useful with which to Engage.

Michael J said

at 2:23 pm on Dec 12, 2010


just some NMEs to put in the stream..

1. Just to refocus, my notion of Ebdish is" EbDish is a twitter specific language to enable sensible sentences about Complex Adaptive Systems in 140 characters or less."
To that end, I'm having trouble with a six part Nfractal as above.

2. Not sure that "archetypical Civic narrative fractal" is the most productive way to think about. While I agree the phenom we're trying to explicate has those eliminates, what I think bothers me is that each only has "meaning" at a specific Time and Place. It goes to the notion that the same Event is both a Threat and Opportunity. The reality of which is determined Precisely at the moment it is Noticed by an Rtube. The complexity is that depending on where and when, the same Rtube can see the same Event as both a Threat and Opportunity or a Risk and Benefit.

I'm not yet sure how this fits in. But what happens if we consider each stage as being two things at Once.

Something like ;

1. attractor / repeller
2. challenge / submit
3. opportunity / threat
4. strategy / confusion
5. test / assume
6. decision

Michael J said

at 2:25 pm on Dec 12, 2010

No edit button grrr. It reads "we're trying to explicate has those eliminates "
Should read we're trying to explicate has those elements. "

mfrazier@openworld.com said

at 3:34 pm on Dec 12, 2010

Hmm, I like the "two things at once" approach - lends itself to a double helix way of depicting a narrative fractal...

On the relativity of good and bad - things can be good in a given setting, and bad in another - I tend to agree, yet I see goodness mapping to holons.

Something that is unambiguously good (like memes that hold true everywhere) could be defined as benefiting the survival and reproductive success of all levels of holons, everywhere. Mixed good/bad comes when something is good for a higher holon but destructive of lower, or vice versa -- or something that is good across one set of nested holons, but transgressive to another set.

Something that is ultimately evil, I think, blocks the survival and reproductive success of all holons above, below, and beside it.

Whatchya reckon?



Michael J said

at 5:26 pm on Dec 12, 2010

Mark, you given me lots to Mull .... top of mind below . More later.

You said, "ultimately evil, I think, blocks the survival and reproductive success of all holons above, below, and beside it."

My take is there is no "ultimately" evil. With the increase of entropy and the heat death (and maybe rebirth of the Universe) " ultimately is not a word that makes sense at human scale, methinks.

You said "unambiguously good memes that hold true everywhere)" Interesting, but I have to wonder if the memes riding on waves of fear and hopelessness are not also "true everywhere?" I guess I don't think "unambiguous good" points to the phenomonological word. Or there ain't such a thing.

My take is that every Event is Good for some, Evil for others often at the same level of Rtube complexity.
Rtubes under stress, in a condition of diminishing resources, with
Nfractals that have no Hope, the probability of evil behavior is as great or greater than the probability of good behavior.

Not sure where this is going yet, but sure is sooooo interesting . . .hmmmmmm...

What mull you?

mfrazier@openworld.com said

at 8:39 pm on Dec 12, 2010

(clarifying) In using "ultimately," I was referring (or trying to) the implications of the logic of the assumptions, rather than the vector of time.

>>My take is that every Event is Good for some, Evil for others

Every event, in its adverse aspect, may well generate a cost - what may be viewed as a "learning experience" in cases where there is no physical harm.

But I don't think _costs_ per se are evil. We should reserve the word evil, I think, for people/events that display intent to exterminate an existing or emerging holon which represents no intrinsic, existential threat.




Michael J said

at 8:52 pm on Dec 12, 2010

Yea. The def of evil is central to making sense of this stuff. It asks the question under what conditions is an Event able to be seen as a Learning Experience. Methinks if we can figure that out we figured out something pretty useful.

Michael J said

at 8:59 pm on Dec 12, 2010

How bout every Event always has it's adverse aspect. The most value creating role for a change agent is to help mitigate collateral damage and lower risk for those adversely affected.

For example, in the get great teacher convo in education, seems to me a simple good thing to do is to create viable paths for those who want to leave to be able to choose to leave. Maybe a program for an ancillary job in the edu space - perhaps with corporate training. Or a non student facing job in the system. Much mo effective methinks than "forcing change."

You buy this story?

mfrazier@openworld.com said

at 10:45 pm on Dec 12, 2010

I think we're converging big time. The value-creating/risk-and-damage-minimizing feat gets pulled off best with exaptive exchanges of tokens among the narrative fractals which define the frames of reference of the actors. In this way, the challenge presented by costs/wastes afflicting by one actor can be turned into a resource for a non-zero sum strategy being implemented by another. Such relationships can build trust conducive to the inclusion of both parties in the "extended selves" of one another. The overlap in turn creates a commons with its own potential to engage in exaptive relationships with others in a trustnet. And so the value-creating, risk-minimizing new holons can emerge.




Michael J said

at 6:51 pm on Jan 2, 2011

Methinks if we can make a bridge between NME and the 6 part Nfractal we might get to a useful place. Your addition of full fledged Nfractal got me thinking...

Wikipedia says ;
A fractal is "a rough or fragmented geometric shape that can be split into parts, each of which is (at least approximately) a reduced-size copy of the whole,"[1] a property called self-similarity.

My thought is that Notice. Mull. Engage. can be used to describe a Flow that has just this property. Leaving aside the physic/chemistry/biology levels for now, I think it's sensible to simplify psychological phenoms as iterations of Notice. Mull. Engage. From what I can see it's also possible to simplify ( good enuff ) Global Financial Markets and Organizational Behavior to the same "Notice. Mull. Engage." mechanism.

So let's say for now, that works.

Then my thought is that the 6 part Nfractal unfolds when NME cycles are constrained by Time Steps and located in Physical Space.

Be very interested it that seems like a fruitful path to get from here to there.

Daniel Durrant said

at 8:30 pm on Jan 5, 2011

The dynamics are very rich and thorough. It's seeming an awful lot like a MMORPG in a 3d space. It's a step beyond twitter speak, for sure.

I'm seeing Rtubes as timelines of user activity, but also the Rtube can be filled into the user's past. A soctet's business facet may be represented as an rtube resume while the personal rtube may represent the user's personal bio. I imagine the user filling answering questions about themselves to fill up their Rtube and answering questions about their emotional reactions to certain experiences in order to present a kind of color pattern which gives other users a better of idea of how they might engage. That is to say, my business rtube history should demonstrate what I've enjoyed and what I've found displeasing. Multiple facets can project outward into the rtube depending on the parameters the soctet user has set for various networks. If you're within my trustnet, then I will project all of my civic, business, and personal facets outward so that you may see my rtube history and future plans.

I like the idea of engaging eachother's rtubes as a process of Rtubing. I imagine that the aim of Rtubing is to manifest the golden threads of synergy. If a golden thread becomes apparent to enough players that who have been gathering Nfractal elements (NME) then they may then decide to move to an action stage based around Feeling, Planing, and Doing stuff together in a group holon with its own Rsphere. Players then become closely nested next to the holon and it is assumed by others who are not a part of that holon that good works are in progress of which occasional NME's concerning how the process is going may be released. It may be that there will be openings within these holons and also work may be accomplished within the holon permitting certain soctets to break away. Some holons with a lot of experience my generate massive rspheres and bplaces.

Any or all of this may happen in twitter, but realtime visuals needed!

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