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Junto minutes re Cocreating Narratives

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mfrazier@openworld.com said

at 6:51 am on May 12, 2010

Meeting 1 - #NarrativeFractals (May 11, 2010)

Participants: @openworld @goonth @notthisbody @spirospiliadis @venessamiemis @heywho (@analpoet, others auditing)

Summary (@goonth, appreciate offer to do 1st draft)

Michael J said

at 7:06 am on May 12, 2010

Mark ,
I'm sorry I couldn't make yesterday's junto. Really looking forward to the summary of the convo. In the meantime,
I thought it might be useful to post some tweets from our brief twitter tennis here to get them on the table.

@openworld Is #narrativefractal a final, stable "pointer state" http://ilnk.me/2885 |Yes, when crystallized (filled in) by cocreators

@openworld So let's say E-space and C-space are best described as Quantum and P-Space is best described as Classical.

@openworld Let's say a #narrativefractal occurs when the entanglement of E-space and C-space break through the "Fermi level" into P-Space.

Michael J said

at 9:27 am on May 13, 2010

It's been an interesting couple of days. Just wanted to add some thoughts about E, C, P spaces.

My hunch is that E-spaces is the under appreciated basic flow. The human emotional system has probably not changed significantly for thousands of years. I think it's fair to say that every one on the planet "wants" peace and the opportunity for their children to have a good life. What happens in C space (cog space) is the verbalizations, most usually in words to describe to themselves the stresses that present in E space.

At the existential scale, it's essentially impossible to share the complete range of stresses in E Space with another. That may be precisely where #narrativefractals come in. The most obvious are narrative fractals in words. But Art and Music are in some ways more interesting. Using words with precisions is a practice still limited to very, very few at a global scale. Music and Art, however, are tools accessible to everyone on the planet.

I think it also points to the under appreciated value of Print and Design. It is a mindful manifestation of Emotional and Cognitive space in Physical Space. Once so manifested it can be perceived by an individual as signifying membership in a community.

Not sure, yet where this goes...but my hunch is that it's something about working out the precise mechanisms by which E,C,A space entangles at a specific time and place.

mfrazier@openworld.com said

at 11:04 am on May 13, 2010

Agree - I've listened to music and seen art in different ways since becoming attuned to scale-free storyline patterns that nest and assemble in arch-narratives. Much as colors may correspond to emo states (for me, red=challenge/tension, yellow=opportunity/inspiration), I think harmonic or disharmonic tonalities (like phonemes) may do likewise in music - possibly a bridge to @gabrielshalom's #aurec tones.

When Emo-space and Cog-space waves crest and prompt expression in physical form, as you've said, this forms a tangible reef-like outcrop distinct from the often torrential flows of experience. It can give something solid for others to navigate by, and in some cases grow to become solid ground from which the next Dawn Treader voyages can embark.



mfrazier@openworld.com said

at 12:56 pm on May 13, 2010

More on #narrativefractal elements and their possibly associated symbols, emotions, and visual/audible signs:

Fractal facet Associated Emotion Visual Referent Musical phrasing

1. Attractor (*) Curiousity Orange intriguing

2. Challenge (x) Tension Red disturbing

3. Opportunity (i) Inspiration Yellow uplifting

4. Strategy (>) Hope Green dramatic

5. Test (~) Confidence/disillusion Blue climactic

6. Decision (!) Resolve White-Gray-Black finale

Thoughts? I'm not grounded in art or musical theory - just now approaching art and music with new eyes and ears.



Spiro Spiliadis said

at 2:02 pm on May 13, 2010

This may interest both Mark and Michael, in regards to colors and vibration, music and where they are in regards to "humans" physical space.


There is also a book i read that mentions where you will read above that yellow is located in the belly, Green the heart, Blue the throat, Indigo the forehead and Violet the top of the head (not omnipresence) then unto things like orange and red.

Food for thought....

Michael J said

at 4:06 pm on May 13, 2010

Yum. Yum. It will take a bit more to digest...in the mean time..

It's pretty clear that something is going on that people still haven't found the words to precisely describe. Flow, vibration, synchronicity, even colors . It's interesting that the scientists who can describe the visible world pretty well so far with math lose it when they try to put it into words. Flavors of Quarks, Strings, Quantum entanglement and non locality make no sense to me in words. But based on the experimental evidence they are describing something real that predicts future events to amazing levels of accuracy at the sub atomic level.

My fav from the last couple of days:

Untangling the Quantum Entanglement Behind Photosynthesis: Berkeley scientists shine new light on green plant secrets http://ilnk.me/28ad

I think the challenge in this convo is to see if we can find a precise way to describe the mechanisms of communication to allow us to make reasonablish predictions about the effects of minimally invasive interventions in social systems. It goes to the questions of What is probably the most effective GUI for Junto?

My hunch is that if we see a GUI as the manifestation of C-Space and E- Space in Physical Space it will help disentangle the invisible flows so that they can be directed for most effect....


Spiro Spiliadis said

at 6:41 pm on May 13, 2010

Michael much respect to you for your thoughts, deep!

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