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click here to discuss "An Idea Worth Spreading"


Junto - video/text/twitter collaboration tool


We can use this space to flesh out and organize ideas that percolate on Emergent by Design


The navigator and sidebar to the right lists the ideas we're working on.

Comments (15)

Tom Graves said

at 12:35 pm on Mar 13, 2010

Many thanks for the invite, Venessa!

Michael J said

at 2:56 pm on Mar 13, 2010

Hi Tom.. I'm ready when you are. But you go first and try to be as precise as possible about what you think I've got wrong.

mfrazier@openworld.com said

at 4:29 pm on Mar 13, 2010

Venessa, good to see this. Wlll it support multithreading of conversations, and/or specialized forums?

Tom Graves said

at 5:08 pm on Mar 13, 2010

Hi Michael - The main point that I believe you've "got wrong" is that you've started from the wrong end of the 'market-sequence' - i.e. from inside the possession-economy 'add-on', rather than from the core-requirements for any economy, right up at the other end of the 'market-sequence'. The reason why it's the 'wrong end' is that you're all but forced to use all of the assumptions that currently apply at that point, without any means to test those assumptions or anything to test them against. Hence the assumption with almost all of the people in the 'Future of Money' thread that some kind of currency would be 'essential', when in fact the concept of currency is a core part of the problem ('the problem' being the possession-economy add-on).

All of this comes from applying an enterprise-architecture perspective to economics, rather than starting from within classic micro/macro-economics, as all 'currency'-models do. I've written up more detail on the probable high-level architecture at http://weblog.tomgraves.org/index.php/2010/03/13/economics-as-ea/ - perhaps have a look there and let me know what you think?

(Also let me know if you need the full e-book version of 'Doing Enterprise-Architecture' - may be necessary because currency-models would be the equivalent of a stage-4/-5 architecture-implementation, whereas what's on the website is only an overview for a stage-1 architecture. The stage-1 is in the sample-ebook on the linked website, but stage-4/-5 are only in the full-ebook version.)

Venessa said

at 5:54 pm on Mar 13, 2010

no multithreading, it's just a wiki, thought it could be used if wanting to compile an ebook of sorts to outline the frameworks for what you guys are talking about. the conversation is over my head, i just thought it might be helpful to have a collaborative place to assemble your ideas.

Jay Deragon said

at 6:40 pm on Mar 13, 2010

I am still perplexed as to what the specific mission is besides sharing "innovation ideas around a new currency using knowledge as the asset. Please enlighten me.

Venessa said

at 7:20 pm on Mar 13, 2010

again, no 'mission.' it was thrown out that this might be info that could be more "shareable" if reformatted. the ebook that was released yesterday, Thrivability, was really insprational (to me at least). http://www.slideshare.net/NurtureGirl/thrivability-a-collaborative-sketch-3406586 Maybe that could be used as a model to do a collection from all of your perspectives, something digestible that could spread the "meme."

Michael J said

at 8:42 pm on Mar 13, 2010

Lots of think about. I think I'm starting to see where we fundamentally disagree, but it will take a bit to get my thoughts organized.

Michael J said

at 7:26 am on Mar 14, 2010

My hope for specific mission is focusing on dropouts. I created a page - link in the sidebar. If folks are interested we can flesh it out on that page. For context, i have pretty good visibility in the world of digital printing. If we can define an implementable project, there's at least a plausible (not yet reasonable - just plausible ) of getting funding to implement.

dan@ingenesist.com said

at 12:19 pm on Mar 15, 2010

look at this video; watch this video. http://laughingsquid.com/clay-shirky-on-cognitive-surplus/

This is the opportunity. To treat knowledge as an asset and deploy the vast amounts of surplus cognitive abilities in a financial system that competes with (not replaces) the existing financial system. This, i believe, is the only rational way out of the global mess we've found ourselves in. That is where we ought to start.

Michael J said

at 2:59 pm on Mar 15, 2010

I agree. http://ilnk.me/1eb9 is the link to the transcript of the vid. Definitely worth considering to see how it fits into the framework that seems to be evolving at this wiki.

dan@ingenesist.com said

at 6:35 pm on Mar 15, 2010

What exactly is the framework of this wiki? I thought we would be discussing the social currencies?!?! Although deeply troubling, it seems that dropouts are a dire consequence, rather than a cause, of the failure of social priorities (currencies) over Wall Street priorities. Ought we not consider the cause rather than the effect?

Michael J said

at 6:39 pm on Mar 15, 2010

I think the attempt on this site is to separate out two threads. One the more theoretical about social currency. Another, to explore action items. From what I can see, the action conversation is in the wiki sidebar titled fixing hs...., the other conversation is at the other two pages in the sidebar.

Leif Smith said

at 11:00 am on Apr 14, 2010

Hi, Mark just sent me an invitation. I'm devoted to the emergence of freeorder, where design courts favorable unexpected events leading to improved states of affairs from the point of view of explorers, i.e. people who seek and use new information.


freeorder = "what's good for explorers" - best current hypothesis: a balance among designed and spontaneous orders that supports quest.

Leonard Kish said

at 11:11 am on Apr 14, 2010

Thanks for the invite. Saw something that reminded me of this group recently about pattern matching vs. knowledge: http://bhorowitz.com/2010/04/13/four-things-some-vcs-do-that-i-dont-like/ See #3

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